Legislature(2007 - 2008)BARNES 124

02/11/2008 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


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01:32:37 PM HB330
03:03:15 PM Adjourn
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HB 330-NOXIOUS WEEDS AND INVASIVE PLANTS                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:32:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON announced that the  only order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL NO. 330, "An  Act relating to management of noxious                                                               
weeds  and invasive  plants; establishing  the  Noxious Weed  and                                                               
Invasive  Plant  Board; and  establishing  the  noxious weed  and                                                               
invasive plant management fund."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON noted that HB  330 is a House Resources Standing                                                               
Committee bill, but  he is the one who brought  it forward as the                                                               
result of  a constituent  complaint from this  past summer.   The                                                               
constituent  purchased a  strawberry  plant at  a  box store  and                                                               
subsequently found an invasive plant  species [Canada thistle] in                                                               
the  container.   In  researching  the issue  it  was found  that                                                               
nothing  could  be done  and  this  is  the reason  for  bringing                                                               
forward HB 330.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:33:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEANNE  OSTNESS, Staff  to Representative  Craig Johnson,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, presented the sponsor  statement for HB 330 on                                                               
behalf of  the House  Resources Standing  Committee. She  said HB
330 would establish both a  Noxious Weed and Invasive Plant Board                                                               
and an  invasive plant management  fund.  Alaska is  currently in                                                               
the enviable  position of having  a prevention status and  even a                                                               
control  status  on statewide  weeds.    While Alaska  has  early                                                               
detection and rapid  response ability in some cases,  there is no                                                               
statewide plan  for noxious  weeds, she said.   This  past summer                                                               
the Committee  for Noxious &  Invasive Plants  Management (CNIPM)                                                               
brought forward  [suggested] changes  to state  regulations which                                                               
the  Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR) is  now looking  at.                                                               
The federal government  will provide funds to the  state if there                                                               
is  a  state  plan,  a coordinator,  and  regulations  indicating                                                               
specific weeds, she related.   Alaska is 60 percent federal land,                                                               
12  percent Native  land, 28  percent state  land, and  1 percent                                                               
private land  - thus,  there is a  need for  interagency response                                                               
throughout the state.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:36:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMIE NIELSEN,  Instructor, Invasive Plants  Program, Cooperative                                                               
Extension  Service, explained  that the  Committee for  Noxious &                                                               
Invasive Plants  Management (CNIPM)  is a  statewide organization                                                               
addressing invasive plant prevention  and management.  She chairs                                                               
this eight-year-old  committee made up  of about 400  people from                                                               
over 100 organizations  statewide.  She noted  that many invasive                                                               
plant species have  not made it to Alaska from  the Lower 48, but                                                               
species from other countries have.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN began  her PowerPoint  presentation by  pointing out                                                               
that invasive  plants can impact agriculture,  tourism, wildlife,                                                               
fisheries,  subsistence resources,  and  land  values [slide  2].                                                               
Under Executive  Order 13112, the  federal government  defines an                                                               
invasive plant as an  intentionally or unintentionally introduced                                                               
non-native  plant  that has  the  potential  to cause  or  causes                                                               
economic or environmental harm or harm to human health.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:41:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN noted  that there  are ranches  in the  Lower 48  so                                                               
infested with spotted knapweed [slide  3] that it would cost more                                                               
to eradicate  the knapweed  than what the  ranch would  sell for.                                                               
Spotted knapweed  has now spread  to nearly six million  acres in                                                               
Montana  and costs  that state  $14  million per  year in  direct                                                               
economic impacts.   Alaska  has spotted knapweed  in a  couple of                                                               
locations  in Southeast  Alaska  and in  three  locations on  the                                                               
Turnagain  Arm.    Now  is  the  opportunity  for  Alaska  to  do                                                               
something about it and save some money, she pointed out.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  explained that  purple loosestrife  is a  plant that                                                               
clogs  wetlands  and blocks  fish  passage  [slide 4].    Control                                                               
efforts  for purple  loosestrife in  the Lower  48 cost  the U.S.                                                               
economy $45 million  per year.  Because of  its fishing industry,                                                               
Alaska has a lot  more to loose from this plant  than the rest of                                                               
the  nation, she  warned.   Alaska's first  known infestation  of                                                               
purple loosestrife  was found in Anchorage's  Westchester Lagoon.                                                               
Given the  cost of this weed  to the rest  of the U.S., now  is a                                                               
great opportunity to control the  purple loosestrife on this one-                                                               
quarter acre area, she advised.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:43:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN  said  she  is presenting  only  three  examples  of                                                               
invasive species  in order  to keep  her presentation  brief, but                                                               
there are  many more species.   She turned to her  third example,                                                               
leafy  spurge, a  species that  costs agricultural  producers and                                                               
taxpayers in the  Dakotas, Montana, and Wyoming  $144 million per                                                               
year  [slide  5].   It  produces  a  caustic  latex sap  that  if                                                               
introduced  into the  eye causes  blindness and  if eaten  causes                                                               
blisters  in the  mouth  and irritation  in  the digestive  tract                                                               
which can  result in mortality.   She said the good  news is that                                                               
leafy  spurge is  not yet  in Alaska,  but the  bad news  is that                                                               
there is now  a thriving population on the road  system in Canada                                                               
just outside  of the  Alaska border.   Would it  not be  great to                                                               
have a state  management plan to prevent and deal  with the leafy                                                               
spurge before  it gets to  Alaska's interior, she asked.   Better                                                               
yet, would it  not be great to have access  to federal funding to                                                               
prevent this type of thing?   To get that federal funding, Alaska                                                               
would need to have a management plan in place.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN explained  that noxious  and  invasive species  have                                                               
"Rambo-like" characteristics  - the ability to  adapt quickly and                                                               
produce their own herbicides.   These are not your typical garden                                                               
weeds,  she stressed.   They  thrive on  multiple continents  and                                                               
cause much  economic loss and  damage to natural resources.   She                                                               
explained that after  introduction in a harbor or  other point of                                                               
entry,  there is  an ensuing  period called  lag phase  where the                                                               
weed  germinates and  grows  quietly  for a  couple  of years  or                                                               
sometimes  decades.   This  is followed  by  an explosive  growth                                                               
phase [slide  6].  Alaska has  only a few plants,  such as Canada                                                               
thistle, that are  in the explosive growth phase, she  said.  For                                                               
the most part, Alaska has  small incipient populations of species                                                               
like purple  loosestrife and spotted  knapweed that are  still in                                                               
the lag  phase.  States like  the Dakotas would give  anything to                                                               
be in  Alaska's shoes  right now, she  related, and  those states                                                               
would tell Alaska  to take the opportunity to  get prevention and                                                               
management  measures  in place  before  these  species reach  the                                                               
landscape level.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  asked whether the graph  axis labeled "increasing                                                               
time" on slide 6 represents months, years, or decades.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN  responded  it  varies based  on  species.    Canada                                                               
thistle reached  Alaska and immediately  went into  the explosive                                                               
phase.   Purple  loosestrife  was a  staple  of the  horticulture                                                               
industry that was planted by  gardeners for at least two decades,                                                               
but  it was  only three  years  ago that  purple loosestrife  was                                                               
discovered  infesting  a  wetland  in  Anchorage.    Sometimes  a                                                               
species needs  to find the  right complement of soil  microbes or                                                               
be discovered  by a pollinator,  she said, and  sometimes genetic                                                               
diversity needs to happen through  a couple of generations before                                                               
the weed hits that explosive growth phase.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:48:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  commented that  a couple of  years ago  there was                                                               
legislation dealing  with purple loosestrife and  orange hawkweed                                                               
on Kodiak  Island.  He  inquired whether the loosestrife  is from                                                               
Kodiak Island or elsewhere.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  answered that purple  loosestrife is  throughout the                                                               
state.  She  said she thinks orange hawkweed is  what started the                                                               
Kodiak legislation  and purple loosestrife was  tacked onto that.                                                               
Each  purple loosestrife  plant  produces millions  of seeds  the                                                               
size of  ground pepper and the  seeds move on waterfowl,  in mud,                                                               
and flow on currents.   Therefore, she warned, Anchorage's purple                                                               
loosestrife could easily be on the Kenai Peninsula this spring.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:50:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GATTO  asked  whether the  intentional  planting  of  a                                                               
noxious or invasive species violates anything at the moment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  responded that the  Department of  Natural Resources                                                               
(DNR) has  added orange  hawkweed and  purple loosestrife  to its                                                               
prohibited and  restricted noxious  weed lists,  but there  is no                                                               
enforcement at  this time.  Most  of what applies to  those lists                                                               
are agricultural seed regulations.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  said in years past,  individual legislation has                                                               
had to be  introduced in order to  put a weed on the  list.  This                                                               
problem would  be solved by HB  330 because the Noxious  Weed and                                                               
Invasive Plant  Board would have  this ability without  having to                                                               
come back  for legislation every year  and would thus be  able to                                                               
keep  the list  updated.    A second  problem  is  that there  is                                                               
nowhere to go to find out  whether planting a noxious or invasive                                                               
species is a  violation of some kind and this  problem would also                                                               
be solved by establishing the board.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN noted  that Alaska was unable to  access funding from                                                               
the U.S.  Bureau of Land Management  (BLM) a couple of  years ago                                                               
because of  not having  an updated statewide  weed list.   States                                                               
like  Oregon  that  have  statewide  management  plans  in  place                                                               
receive $200,000 - $300,000  a year from the BLM.   One aim of HB
330 is to  make Alaska eligible for receiving this  funding.  For                                                               
the  past  seven years,  she  said,  CNIPM  has been  laying  the                                                               
groundwork - the "what", "where", and  "why" - for the day Alaska                                                               
is  empowered to  take a  role in  invasive plant  prevention and                                                               
management.   A three-year-long,  multi-agency, multi-stakeholder                                                               
project was undertaken to determine  "what" the problem is [slide                                                               
8],  she related.   Funded  by  state and  private forestry,  the                                                               
project reviewed over  100 species and gave  them an invasiveness                                                               
ranking.   All of  this information  and research  is now  in one                                                               
place  and  accessible  online  as   to  which  plants  have  the                                                               
potential  to  be  a  problem for  Alaskan  resources  under  the                                                               
growing  conditions in  this  state.   The  Alaska Exotic  Plants                                                               
Information Clearinghouse (AKEPIC) has  mapped 63,000 data points                                                               
indicating "where" these  identified species can be  found in the                                                               
state [slide 9].   The map and information are  a phenomenal tool                                                               
and are available online, Ms. Nielsen  said.  There is now a good                                                               
idea,  at  least  along  the  state's road  systems  and  in  the                                                               
population centers, of  where these plants are  located and where                                                               
they  are moving.    Creating public  awareness  is important  so                                                               
people know  "why" noxious  and invasive plants  are a  threat to                                                               
Alaska and why they should care  [slide 10].  Many states did not                                                               
become  proactive about  noxious weeds  until residents  felt the                                                               
impacts in  their pocketbooks.   She pointed out that  Alaska has                                                               
the  unique opportunity  to be  proactive about  the introduction                                                               
and  spread of  invasives.   The  Cooperative Extension  Service,                                                               
Alaska  Association of  Conservation Districts,  and other  folks                                                               
have  worked for  seven years  to increase  public awareness  and                                                               
understanding so that  public support would be in  place when the                                                               
state was ready to take a role.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GINO  GRAZIANO,   Invasive  Plants  Program   Coordinator,  Plant                                                               
Materials Center,  Alaska Association of  Conservation Districts,                                                               
stated that he helps the  association coordinate programs and set                                                               
up  local groups  to manage  invasive  plants within  cooperative                                                               
weed  management areas.    He is  also vice  chair  of the  CNIPM                                                               
board.   At Co-Chair Johnson's  request, the CNIPM board  came up                                                               
with  recommendations for  holistically managing  invasive plants                                                               
in Alaska.   He understood  that these recommendations  were also                                                               
used for the development of HB 330.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAZIANO said CNIPM's first  recommendation is that a Noxious                                                               
and  Invasive Plant  Management Program  be developed  within the                                                               
Department  of Natural  Resources [slide  11].   One function  of                                                               
this  program would  be to  establish  and implement  regulations                                                               
dealing  with  invasive plants.    However,  he noted,  there  is                                                               
currently  no money  and  no staff  available  to even  implement                                                               
existing regulations, such as  conducting inspections for noxious                                                               
and invasive species  contained in plant starts that  are sold at                                                               
big box  stores.   Another function  of the  program would  be to                                                               
develop   a  Statewide   Weed  Management   Plan,   which  is   a                                                               
prerequisite  for  receiving  federal  funds  under  the  federal                                                               
Noxious  Weed Control  and Eradication  Act.   Additionally under                                                               
this program,  DNR could  promote coordination  between agencies.                                                               
Coordination  is paramount  for  effective  management, he  said,                                                               
because  one species  of invasive  weed can  have the  ability to                                                               
invade  lands  that  are  managed  by  any  one  of  the  state's                                                               
departments or  divisions.  The  department could also  work with                                                               
soil  and  water conservation  districts  to  assist and  provide                                                               
incentives  to private  landowners.   Oftentimes invasive  plants                                                               
start out on private property  and other times private landowners                                                               
are  in  the  middle  where  roadside  weeds  jump  onto  private                                                               
property and then into a wetland  or other public lands.  He said                                                               
the state needs  to help private landowners  and natural resource                                                               
producers to manage invasive plants  on their private property in                                                               
a  way  that is  not  heavy  handed.    Putting the  Noxious  and                                                               
Invasive  Plant  Management Program  within  DNR  seems to  be  a                                                               
natural  fit because  the  department is  in  charge of  multiple                                                               
divisions  that manage  state lands,  including  the Division  of                                                               
Agriculture where the state's current weed laws reside.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN, in  response to  Representative Wilson,  identified                                                               
the plant  shown on  slide 11  as a bull  thistle that  was found                                                               
south  of Anchorage  and  that  had already  gone  to  seed.   In                                                               
further response, she  noted that there are two  types of thistle                                                               
found  in Alaska  and the  plant shown  on slide  12 is  a Canada                                                               
thistle.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  asked whether  there is any  thistle that  is not                                                               
noxious.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN replied  yes, there  are native  species of  thistle                                                               
that are  important for  pollinators and  forage.   However, bull                                                               
and  Canada   thistle  have  the  capacity   to  out-compete  all                                                               
surrounding  vegetation,  so they  are  much  more aggressive  in                                                               
Alaska's environment.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:00:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAZIANO  continued  his presentation.    He  reported  that                                                               
CNIPM's  second  recommendation  is   to  appoint  a  State  Weed                                                               
Coordinator  for  the  program  within DNR  and  to  provide  the                                                               
coordinator with  administrative support.  The  coordinator would                                                               
help with  public outreach and education  because invasive plants                                                               
cannot be managed  without letting people know what  they need to                                                               
look  out for  and what  they  should avoid  buying in  catalogs.                                                               
Additionally, letting  the public know  who to contact  should an                                                               
invasive plant  be found  can save  the state a  lot of  time and                                                               
money as well as preventing a problem from happening.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON observed that  the $5,000 identified in the                                                               
fiscal note for  statewide outreach seems too  light for covering                                                               
the entire state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAZIANO  explained  that   outreach  does  not  necessarily                                                               
involve  travel because  there are  local  groups throughout  the                                                               
state that could receive support in  ways other than travel.  For                                                               
instance,  one  type  of  support would  be  the  development  of                                                               
materials.   Also, he  said, Ms. Nielsen  travels to  many remote                                                               
places.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN added  that there  is  a big  infestation of  Canada                                                               
thistle in Cold  Bay and she just taught a  tele-class for the 13                                                               
tribal  offices of  the  Aleutian  Pribilof Islands  Association.                                                               
She sent  a PowerPoint presentation  ahead of time and  then, via                                                               
telephone,  she  talked  about   best  management  practices  for                                                               
operating heavy  equipment on projects like  runway expansion and                                                               
tank farm  construction, including  writing those  practices into                                                               
contracts.   For instance, one  practice is the  requirement that                                                               
heavy equipment  be cleaned before  being taken to a  remote site                                                               
in order to prevent the spreading of weeds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:03:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAZIANO continued his discussion  about a state coordinator.                                                               
This  coordinator  would  also  work  with  the  soil  and  water                                                               
conservation  districts in  supporting the  establishment of  the                                                               
cooperative  weed management  areas in  the state,  he explained.                                                               
These  weed management  areas often  work off  of federal  grants                                                               
that require  matching funds from  the state and  the coordinator                                                               
could  help facilitate  that.   The coordinator  could also  work                                                               
with other  statewide groups  such as  the Committee  for Noxious                                                               
and  Invasive Plant  Management and  the Alaska  Invasive Species                                                               
Working  Group.   Additionally,  research  is  needed on  how  to                                                               
effectively   kill   noxious   plants  without   damaging   other                                                               
resources, as well as the conducting of surveys.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAZIANO  said CNIPM's  third recommendation  is to  create a                                                               
State  Weed  Board with  representation  from  a broad  range  of                                                               
stakeholders.   This  broad range  of  stakeholders is  necessary                                                               
because there are so many  different affected parties in addition                                                               
to government agencies - for  example, the fishing, agricultural,                                                               
and  horticultural  industries.    The  State  Weed  Board  would                                                               
provide recommendations to state  agencies and having everyone at                                                               
the table  would provide  the ability to  talk about  and address                                                               
the problems,  such as:   mowing roadsides  by the  Department of                                                               
Transportation  &   Public  Facilities,  cleaning   equipment  in                                                               
between  construction projects,  and  ensuring that  revegetation                                                               
material does not  contain noxious invasive plants.   These sorts                                                               
of recommendations  can be put  into a statewide  weed management                                                               
plan,  he advised.    The  State Weed  Board  would seek  outside                                                               
funding for  state weed prevention  and management efforts.   The                                                               
Weed  Board would  also suggest  any  needed regulation  changes.                                                               
For  instance,  the  list  of noxious  and  invasive  species  is                                                               
severely out  of date and  many species should be  considered for                                                               
addition to the list.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  interjected that plants  can be taken off  the list,                                                               
as well.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAZIANO noted  that a  clear plan  is required  for putting                                                               
plants on  the list.   The  list must  be organized  according to                                                               
whether a  listing is in  regard to prevention, which  plants are                                                               
not yet  in the state,  which plants  need to be  eradicated, and                                                               
which plants simply need to be controlled or contained.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:09:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  inquired whether it  would work to have  HB 330                                                               
designate the  CNIPM board  as the State  Weed Board  and appoint                                                               
the commissioner  of the Department  of Natural Resources  as the                                                               
director.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAZIANO  responded that  the CNIPM board  is elected  by its                                                               
members at its  annual conference.  He said he  is unsure whether                                                               
this  would make  a difference  in the  way the  board would  run                                                               
because there may  be a need for the State  Weed Board members to                                                               
be of state agencies and politically appointed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  commented that  he wants  to solve  the problem                                                               
without  creating  more  bureaucracy  and he  will  therefore  be                                                               
looking  at some  alternatives.   He  said he  also has  concerns                                                               
about the fiscal note.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:11:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON asked  whether it  would be  beneficial to                                                               
pass  a bill  that  requires all  contractors  to wash  equipment                                                               
prior to moving to a new construction site.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  replied some  states do  have such  laws, especially                                                               
islands  like  Hawaii  that  are   really  impacted  by  invasive                                                               
species.  However,  she said, some people  believe such specifics                                                               
belong in regulations instead of state law.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAZIANO advised  that passing  such legislation  could take                                                               
longer  than  just  having the  different  stakeholders  meet  to                                                               
discuss the  issue and make  internal policy changes  that DOT&PF                                                               
then writes  into its  contracts.   Such contract  policies could                                                               
include requirements  that equipment  be cleaned in  between uses                                                               
and  before going  to  a new  site, and  that  fill material  and                                                               
revegetation mix be free of invasive weeds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN added  that another  contract policy  could be  that                                                               
assurity is  not released until  the site is inspected  24 months                                                               
later.   Being one  of the  later states  to address  this issue,                                                               
Alaska has a  lot of templates that  can be used.   These are the                                                               
types of recommendations and regulations  that a State Weed Board                                                               
would debate and suggest to the state agencies.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON interjected that  such legislation is an extreme                                                               
measure  that is  currently  taken  in some  of  the Great  Lakes                                                               
states for  boats that move  from one lake  to another.   He said                                                               
his opinion is that regulation is a better way to go.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:14:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAZIANO  summarized the need  for a State Weed  Board [slide                                                               
14].   Coordination  is imperative  to  properly manage  invasive                                                               
plants because  weeds do  not respect  property boundaries.   The                                                               
groundwork has been  laid for a board and a  state program to hit                                                               
the ground  running and make really  big impacts in a  very short                                                               
amount of time.  An overarching  system of support from the state                                                               
is needed to assist the  grassroots groups that have already been                                                               
organized.  That top down level  is needed to add more "oomph" to                                                               
what is  already being done.   Alaska  does not need  to reinvent                                                               
the wheel because it can use  the lessons, losses, and gains from                                                               
the other  states as templates for  success.  If Alaska  acts now                                                               
to safeguard its resources and economy  it will not have to spend                                                               
$14 million on just one weed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAZIANO said citizens across  the state are working in their                                                               
communities to  manage invasive plants by  conducting weed pulls,                                                               
surveys, and  providing education  programs.  But  these citizens                                                               
need help.  He quoted Troy  and Lori Zaumseil, a couple who found                                                               
an invasive  species in  a strawberry  start that  they purchased                                                               
from a big box  store in Anchorage:  "It takes a  state to stop a                                                               
weed."    He concluded  his  presentation  with a  photograph  of                                                               
Japanese Knotweed growing  on a beach in  Southeast Alaska [slide                                                               
16]  and explained  that  this invasive  species  takes over  the                                                               
sites where salmonberries grow.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:18:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON surmised by the  quote that this problem is                                                               
so  pervasive that  it requires  being proactive  and having  the                                                               
state play a substantial role such as what is in HB 330.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  answered yes, Alaska  has the opportunity to  save a                                                               
huge  amount of  money.   There is  example after  example across                                                               
Canada and  the Lower 48 states.   An invasive reed  in one Santa                                                               
Ana, California, watershed  has already cost that  state over $20                                                               
million  and the  reed is  not yet  under control.   The  city of                                                               
Seattle, Washington, is not focused  on prevention, it is focused                                                               
on restoration that costs millions  of dollars.  Alaska can focus                                                               
on prevention.   Citizens across Alaska are doing  what they can,                                                               
but if there  is no overarching system of support  from the state                                                               
it will be a losing battle.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:20:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON  drew  attention  to the  fiscal  note  of                                                               
$232,000.   He remarked that part  of the policy question  is how                                                               
much money the  state wants to put into tackling  this problem on                                                               
a statewide basis.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON responded he is  sensitive to that, but he would                                                               
like  to see  the fiscal  note go  down and  have the  state take                                                               
advantage of the  citizen groups and not create  another level of                                                               
bureaucracy.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:21:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  inquired about  the frequency  of travel  and the                                                               
per diem costs that would be  incurred by the nine member Noxious                                                               
Weed and Invasive Plant Board.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  spoke from her experience  on the CNIPM board.   She                                                               
said this  board meets via  teleconference except for  one annual                                                               
meeting that takes  place in either Anchorage or  Fairbanks.  She                                                               
offered to  ask the  other western  state weed  coordinators what                                                               
their travel and per diem costs are when their boards convene.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:22:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  recollected that several  years ago per  diem was                                                               
changed to $400 per day, plus  the hotel and airfare.  The fiscal                                                               
note would not actually pay for weed control, he said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  related that  the function of  weed boards  in other                                                               
states is  not to travel around  conducting treatment themselves,                                                               
but to advise  state agencies, help keep the state  weed list up-                                                               
to-date,  create  an  updated state  weed  management  plan  that                                                               
includes prevention  and best  management practices,  and solicit                                                               
federal  funds  for  delegation  to  on-the-ground  weed  control                                                               
projects in the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAZIANO added  that the  planning being  done at  the local                                                               
level  ought to  remain local.    Local groups  know better  what                                                               
needs to  happen in those areas  and several of them  are already                                                               
working on developing strategic  management plans for noxious and                                                               
invasive  weeds.   For example,  the Kenai  Peninsula Cooperative                                                               
Weed  Management Area  has a  completed  plan that  is online  at                                                               
www.homerswcd.org.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:26:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES  asked what the potential  amount of federal                                                               
dollars  is  and  how  much   the  state  would  be  expected  to                                                               
contribute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN  answered  there  are  no  specifics  in  the  bill.                                                               
Different  states have  different agreements.   Grant  monies are                                                               
available from the U.S. Federal  Highway Administration, the U.S.                                                               
Bureau of Land  Management, and one of the three  branches of the                                                               
U.S. Forest Service.   Without a statewide  weed management plan,                                                               
Alaska cannot apply for any of  those federal funds.  That is the                                                               
idea behind getting a board in place, she said.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:27:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES   inquired  whether  Ms.  Nielsen   had  an                                                               
estimate of how much is  potentially available through this grant                                                               
process.   He expressed his  concern about creating  something to                                                               
seek  federal   dollars  and  then  having   the  federal  grants                                                               
disappear.  Are  there other federal funding  sources in addition                                                               
to the grants, he asked.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  related that the state  of Montana set up  a program                                                               
using a seed  money grant and is now funding  the program through                                                               
interest received  from either a  tobacco tax or  license plates.                                                               
The  state of  Oregon receives  about $200,000-$300,000  from the                                                               
U.S. Bureau  of Land Management.   She  said that going  into the                                                               
numbers  for the  amount of  federal funds  can be  intimidating,                                                               
whereas  having  a  State  Weed  Board  in  place  to  develop  a                                                               
management  plan  does not  have  to  be expensive.    California                                                               
provides $1.5 million annually in  state money to its cooperative                                                               
weed  management  areas  and Idaho  provides  about  $10  million                                                               
annually.  However,  she emphasized, this is not to  say that the                                                               
state  of  Alaska has  to  provide  millions of  dollars  because                                                               
Alaska's infestations  have not  reached the landscape  level and                                                               
prevention is not that expensive.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON commented  that the coordinator's position,                                                               
as outlined, would be a huge job.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN answered that the  coordinator should be able to fall                                                               
back on the  expertise of the members of the  state board.  Also,                                                               
there are  templates that are available  and can be used  for the                                                               
statewide  weed management  plan, and  for the  priorities within                                                               
the plan, and for a system of accountability within the plan.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NIELSEN,  in  response to  Co-Chair  Gatto,  confirmed  that                                                               
burning noxious and invasive weeds is  one tool in the toolbox of                                                               
integrated vegetation  management that  can be very  effective in                                                               
combination with  other treatments.   She noted that  bird vetch,                                                               
an   invasive   species  depicted   in   a   1/22/08  letter   to                                                               
Representative Kawasaki,  uses the strategy of  smothering [other                                                               
plants].   Once seeds are  in the soil  they can germinate  for a                                                               
number of years.  In  addition to covering and smothering fences,                                                               
bird vetch  smothers crops.   Bird vetch  has spread on  the road                                                               
system from Fairbanks all the way  to the Kenai and is closing in                                                               
on Delta Junction.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  asked whether there  is a need to  add the                                                               
word fisheries  to line  9, page  1, under  the section  on state                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. NIELSEN  responded absolutely,  there are  invasives blocking                                                               
fish passage  in Anchorage  and in  Southeast Alaska.   Fisheries                                                               
and subsistence are two big ones for Alaska, she said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:36:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANIS  CHUMLEY,  University   of  Alaska  Fairbanks,  Cooperative                                                               
Extension  Service, U.S.  Department of  Agriculture, urged  that                                                               
something happen  soon.  She  supported establishment of  a State                                                               
Weed  Board.   There  needs to  be legislation  or  some kind  of                                                               
authority  to deal  with this  problem that  is not  going to  go                                                               
away, she said.   Funding is always an issue,  but putting it off                                                               
will result  in the continued  growth and spread of  these weeds.                                                               
Alaska has  a lot  riding on  this -  its wildlife,  fishing, and                                                               
pristine beauty.   To do nothing is to do  our future disservice.                                                               
It will  create a liability  to the state's residents  and result                                                               
in Alaska having to  do what is being done in  the Lower 48, such                                                               
as mechanical  and chemical control.   It is wise to  address the                                                               
situation now  while it  is still  a controllable  situation, she                                                               
stressed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:38:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  SPARROW,  Agronomist,  School  of  Natural  Resources  and                                                               
Agricultural  Sciences, University  of Alaska  Fairbanks, related                                                               
that  he  recently participated  in  an  assessment of  potential                                                               
effects  of  climate  warming  on agriculture  in  Alaska.    The                                                               
assessment concluded  that climate warming would  have a positive                                                               
impact  on agriculture  in high  latitude areas  such as  Alaska.                                                               
However, there  would be some  negative effects and one  of those                                                               
negative  effects would  be  more weed  species  coming into  the                                                               
state.   Anything that can be  done to prevent weeds  from coming                                                               
into Alaska  is a good thing  and HB 330  is a step in  the right                                                               
direction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:39:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STONEY  WRIGHT,  Manager,  Plant Materials  Center,  Division  of                                                               
Agriculture,   Department   of   Natural  Resources,   said   the                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources  fully supports  HB 330  and the                                                               
development of a strategic plan.   He noted that the bill has two                                                               
fiscal notes  - one for  the Plant  Materials Center and  one for                                                               
the commissioner's office.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:40:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYCE WRIGLEY, Alaska Farm Bureau, stated  that as a farmer he is                                                               
concerned  because some  of  the weed  lists  being used  include                                                               
species like  brome and  timothy that are  not native  to Alaska,                                                               
but which  are used as crops  in the state.   Including brome and                                                               
timothy  on the  weed list  would create  a problem  because they                                                               
account for  80 percent of the  sales of hay grown  in the state.                                                               
Agriculture must have  input to the State Weed Board  and to this                                                               
process,  he said.    He proposed  that the  board  seat for  the                                                               
commissioner   of  the   Department  of   Natural  Resources   be                                                               
specifically a  representative from the Division  of Agriculture.                                                               
Since the  division is ultimately  the final say in  what species                                                               
make the list, it would be better  for the division to be part of                                                               
the decision making  process.  He drew attention to  page 2, line                                                               
11,  and  urged that  the  State  Weed  Board  member who  is  an                                                               
employee  from   the  University  of  Alaska   be  a  cooperative                                                               
extension agent  or someone involved in  research.  Additionally,                                                               
he suggested  that one of the  three seats for public  members as                                                               
designated  on page  2, line  13, be  filled by  a representative                                                               
from the  Alaska Farm Bureau  or some other farm  organization so                                                               
there can be input from agricultural concerns.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WRIGLEY said  it  is clear  from  the information  presented                                                               
today that it is not a matter of  can or should this be done, but                                                               
a matter  that it has  to be done.   Outside states  are spending                                                               
millions and  millions of dollars  to control single weeds.   For                                                               
example, a  few years ago California  had to turn its  back on 17                                                               
million acres  of star  thistle because it  could not  afford the                                                               
control measures and  now nothing is being done.   He said Alaska                                                               
can take advantage of the  lessons that have been learned Outside                                                               
and  it would  be foolish  to debate  this and  lose time.   Some                                                               
weeds will  respond to  pulling and some  will not,  so chemicals                                                               
will have to  be part of the  treatment, he advised.   It took 18                                                               
years  to   successfully  eradicate   Canada  thistle   in  Delta                                                               
Junction.   With concerted and  continuous effort, Alaska  can be                                                               
successful, he said.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:45:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTTO KILCHER said he is on  the board of supervisors for the Soil                                                               
and  Water Conservation  District,  but that  he  is speaking  on                                                               
behalf of himself  as someone who has been involved  in weeds for                                                               
many years.   Bull thistle grew  in some feed that  came into his                                                               
sister's place,  he related.  The  head of a bull  thistle can be                                                               
as big as a  tennis ball and spikes on the plant can  be up to an                                                               
inch long.   It gets into  tires and can cause  injury to people.                                                               
He said he  does not want to see any  bureaucracy get overloaded;                                                               
however,  when looking  at  the short-  and  long-term costs  for                                                               
eradication,  a little  money and  pesticide now  is much  better                                                               
than a lot  of money and pesticide  later.  Some kind  of a board                                                               
or small bureaucracy  is needed to take charge and  work with the                                                               
grassroots people.   There is  huge support for  eradication, but                                                               
people do not know where to go,  he said.  If there was one place                                                               
where the buck stops and someone  answers at the state level, all                                                               
of   the  bureaucracy   could  be   short-circuited  and   proper                                                               
information could be easily disseminated.   For example, when the                                                               
highway between  Indian and Girdwood  was redone,  the contractor                                                               
planted white  sweet clover.  This  is a species that  is choking                                                               
out the  Stikine River in  Southeast Alaska.  There  is currently                                                               
no clearinghouse  for informing greenhouses and  other importers,                                                               
such  as big  box  stores,  as to  which  species  should not  be                                                               
imported.   Mr. Kilcher  noted that horses  and dogs  are vectors                                                               
that spread weeds  in the wilderness because of  weed seeds found                                                               
in their  feed.   His neighbors raise  [certified] weed  free hay                                                               
for feeding to  horses used for backcountry packing  and if other                                                               
farmers in  Alaska did  this it  would be a  boon to  the economy                                                               
because  then  weed free  hay  would  not  have to  be  imported.                                                               
Federal  agencies and  wildlife  professionals  need the  state's                                                               
help.    Putting  this  together  would  form  a  framework  that                                                               
additional  species,  such  as agricultural  and  aquatic  pests,                                                               
could fall under.  He urged the state to take a proactive step.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:51:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF HEYS,  Alaska Regional Office,  U.S. National  Park Service,                                                               
U.S.  Department of  the Interior,  stated  that he  has been  in                                                               
Alaska for  10 years and  has spent the  past 5 years  managing a                                                               
program  to keep  invasive  plants out  of  Alaska's 16  national                                                               
parks.   He works with Ms.  Nielsen, Mr. Graziano, and  the CNIPM                                                               
group to share  information about this issue.   Park personnel in                                                               
the other  states envy  his position, he  said, because  they are                                                               
fighting an  uphill battle with  few victories in trying  to save                                                               
the scraps of uninvaded land and  trying to keep the next invader                                                               
from  overrunning   the  land.    Alaska's   national  parks  are                                                               
currently at  the opposite end of  the spectrum and there  is the                                                               
ability  to search  for and  destroy small  populations of  these                                                               
invasive plants  in hopes  that Alaska  will not  have to  face a                                                               
larger  problem.   He  said  the U.S.  National  Park Service  is                                                               
concerned  about  the  potential  impacts to  fish  and  wildlife                                                               
habitat, the replacement of native  plant communities, the change                                                               
of water flow  and quality, and the change  of wildfire frequency                                                               
and intensity.   Problems  outside of  parks will  likely include                                                               
reduced crop  and forage productivity, increased  landscaping and                                                               
lawn maintenance costs,  and thorny and toxic  plants that nobody                                                               
likes to  have around.  It  cannot be overstated that  Alaska has                                                               
the opportunity to  avoid these problems on the  scale that other                                                               
states have experienced,  he stressed.  This can  only be through                                                               
strategic  and coordinated  management.   It is  clear from  U.S.                                                               
National  Park Service  efforts in  Alaska that  every $1  dollar                                                               
spent  on current  management will  save $1000  later.   The U.S.                                                               
National  Park  Service looks  forward  to  cooperating with  the                                                               
state,  other federal  agencies,  and  nongovernment entities  in                                                               
protecting Alaska from this threat into  the future, he said.  It                                                               
is a serious problem that is not  going to go away and will never                                                               
be any cheaper to deal with than now.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:53:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC   WADE,   Executive    Director,   Alaska   Association   of                                                               
Conservation Districts,  stated that the [Alaska]  Association of                                                               
Conservation  Districts voted  on January  12, 2008,  to strongly                                                               
support HB 330.   The association wants to play  a part and would                                                               
like the  language to  be amended to  include the  association in                                                               
the bill by  name.  The soil and water  districts are entities of                                                               
the  state, he  explained, and  in the  past several  years these                                                               
weed  programs  have  become major  components  of  programs  the                                                               
districts  offer.   The  legislation,  as  currently written,  is                                                               
nested  in AS  41.10 which  is the  same statute  that authorizes                                                               
districts.  He said he is  testifying from Reno, Nevada, where he                                                               
is attending  a national meeting of  associations of conservation                                                               
districts  and every  speaker has  talked about  invasive plants,                                                               
usually in  the context  of climate  change.   The key  theme has                                                               
been  the  wish  that  involvement had  begun  30-50  years  ago.                                                               
Alaska has  the opportunity to  "get that ball rolling  now" with                                                               
the passage of HB 330.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:55:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether  the current language on page                                                               
2,  lines  8-9,  is  ample   for  the  inclusion  of  Mr.  Wade's                                                               
organization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WADE said  his organization would request  to be specifically                                                               
named on page  4, paragraph 7, line 3.   The [Alaska] Association                                                               
of Conservation  Districts strongly feels  it is in  an excellent                                                               
position  to  deliver  programs  around the  state  and  has  the                                                               
experience in this  area.  In further  response to Representative                                                               
Seaton, Mr.  Wade confirmed that  his association is in  favor of                                                               
having one member of the  [Noxious Weed and Invasive Plant Board]                                                               
selected by the soil and water conservation districts.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:57:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BLYTHE  BROWN, Noxious  and Invasive  Plants Coordinator,  Kodiak                                                               
Soil  and Water  Conservation  District, testified  that she  has                                                               
been  working with  invasive  plants in  Kodiak  since 2002  when                                                               
orange  hawkweed was  discovered  on Camp  Island  in the  Kodiak                                                               
National Wildlife Refuge.  She  now works with weed education and                                                               
control  throughout the  Kodiak Island  Borough.   She encouraged                                                               
committee  members to  reread  the sponsor  statement  to HB  330                                                               
because it  is well written  and states the  problem effectively.                                                               
Federal,  state,  and  local private  organizations  are  working                                                               
together in  Kodiak, but  more help and  guidance is  needed from                                                               
the  state  level, she  said.    The  State  of Alaska  needs  to                                                               
officially  acknowledge that,  yes, invasive  plants are  a major                                                               
threat  to its  natural resources,  agricultural production,  and                                                               
communities, and  that something  needs to be  done now.   Alaska                                                               
can  prevent the  major expenses  other  states now  have to  pay                                                               
because of their failure to  act when the infestations were still                                                               
small.    Invasive  plants  have  the potential  to  be  just  as                                                               
devastating to  Alaska's resources and  habitats as an  oil spill                                                               
or  a tsunami,  she  warned.   Just as  people  work together  to                                                               
prevent  oil spills  and prepare  for tsunamis,  people can  also                                                               
prevent invasive plant infestations  and quickly react to control                                                               
them when they  are first discovered.  She  clarified that Kodiak                                                               
does not  have purple loosestrife  right now  and the hope  is to                                                               
keep it that way.  Together we can make a difference, she said.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:59:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MATT  CARLSON,  Assistant  Professor  of  Botany,  University  of                                                               
Alaska Anchorage, noted  that he is a CNIPM board  member and has                                                               
been involved  in the invasiveness  ranking and the  state's weed                                                               
database.   He supports HB 330,  he said.  It  is a misconception                                                               
that Alaska's extreme  climate makes it immune to  the problem of                                                               
invasives.   Alaska currently has  close to 300  nonnative plants                                                               
and each  year more and  more of  these plants are  escaping from                                                               
the road systems, gardens, and  agricultural settings and getting                                                               
into  natural systems.   These  natural systems  are what  Alaska                                                               
prides itself on  and much of the state's economy  and tourism is                                                               
based  on the  purity of  its  ecosystem.   Weeds are  biological                                                               
pollution.   The state needs  to spend  money and take  charge of                                                               
the  matter now,  he advised,  as weeds  are worse  than lots  of                                                               
other forms  of pollution  because they  self replicate  and have                                                               
the ability to mutate and invade new places.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:01:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORI ZAUMSEIL  stated that  she and her  husband were  the people                                                               
who found the Canada thistle  [in a store-bought plant start], so                                                               
they have  been involved in  this from  the very beginning.   She                                                               
said  she is  working hard  to educate  citizens that  spending a                                                               
nickel now and saving a  dollar later is the fiscally responsible                                                               
thing to  do.  Alaska  needs to  prepare and protect  herself now                                                               
because  it   will  only  become   more  costly   and  eventually                                                               
impossible  to do  this later.   She  compared it  to watching  a                                                               
wildfire coming  across the horizon  and not yet filling  a water                                                               
bucket.   Alaska  must exploit  the advantage  that it  has right                                                               
now.  She  said she and her  husband will be speaking  at the end                                                               
of the  month in Washington, DC,  at the opening session  for the                                                               
National Invasive Weeds Awareness Week  and they want to take the                                                               
message that Alaska has been proactive  in this fight.  She urged                                                               
committee members to take to heart what they have heard today.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:03:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON closed public testimony and held HB 330.                                                                       

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